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<\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\nThe director Eliza Kubarska<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n Pioneering Polish mountain climber Wanda Rutkiewicz disappeared in the Himalayas in 1992. What happened on that final climb? Filmmaker and mountaineer Eliza Kubarska traces Wanda\u2019s footsteps on the world\u2019s highest peaks in a journey into the mystery surrounding the fate of the first woman to summit K2. Could Wanda be still alive, in a monastery in Tibet? Weaving together Wanda\u2019s own, previously unseen diaries, audio and video archives from her Himalayan expeditions, interviews with legendary climbers, Sherpas, Buddhist nuns and monks, this is a riveting account of the emotional struggles and aspirations of a woman who rose above a world that often sought to limit her and charted her own path to freedom. Dimitra Kouzi: Is Wanda\u2019s (Rutkiewicz's) story still relevant today?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Eliza Kubarska<\/strong>: Of course. Although this story happened 30 years ago, it is still relevant. We made a film about a woman who had vision, passion, and dreams. She wanted to live her own way and at that time most women thought that was impossible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n I think that the situation of women in many countries today, even in Europe, is still not good. A lot of things need to change everywhere \u2013 in the film industry, in business, politics, sport, at home \u2013 women\u2019s status is not the same as men\u2019s. And I\u2019m not talking about feminism only. To me, it\u2019s about women and men having the same right to decide about themselves, to make their own decisions. Both men and women should have this right equally.<\/p>\n\n\n\n The world of mountain climbing \u2013 especially scaling the highest peaks \u2013 remains predominantly male-dominated, with a narrative shaped by men. Naturally, fewer women are involved. If only for biological reasons, a woman's price for being a climber will always be higher, and it will be harder for her to lead a normal life outside of this passion. Therefore, I believe that if a woman wants to climb the highest mountains, the mountain community must support her. It is not a question of whether they like it or not. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Dimitra Kouzi:<\/strong> What elements of this story were most interesting for you?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Eliza Kubarska<\/strong>: This story unfolds in the highest, most challenging mountains, the Himalayas, and is about a woman who wants to make her own choices. For her, personal freedom is what\u2019s most important, to be able to say what she wants and be clearly heard.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Watch the TRAILER <\/a><\/p>\n\n\n Dimitra Kouzi:<\/strong> In your film, you reveal for the first time Wanda\u2019s incredible personal archive. What was your approach to navigating and exploring this wealth of material?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Eliza Kubarska<\/strong>: We didn't know about this archive, which has several dozen boxes. I received the material from Wanda's sister, Janina Fies. We had no budget to digitise it, no people to work on it. I was alone. At some point Daria Sieracka joined me to help.<\/p>\n\n\n\n There are more than thirty 16mm film tapes from the 1970s and \u201980s, and dozens of video tapes in various formats. There are also a few thousand slides from the Himalayas, including from Everest \u201978, or even earlier, from the 1960s. I started from the slides by myself, I went through 5,000 slides, but there are still more. I didn\u2019t complete this work because I saw the possibility to scan all the tapes. Luckily, we got support from the Documentary and Feature Film Studio in Warsaw (WFDiF).<\/p>\n\n\n\n There are private letters, expedition documents, original typescripts of books, articles, and important writings. There is a box of letters to Wanda from her fans, which she never opened because there were simply too many of them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n There were also thirty audio tapes. On two of them I found very strange recordings of trekking in the Himalayas, a kind of Wanda\u2019s personal journal. Here, she asked herself many questions, questioned some of her life choices. She related what she experienced along the way, poor Nepalese villages, local families, to herself. She wondered if she could live there, why she didn't become a mother, even though she had wanted to. She talked about why it was difficult for her to find a life partner and about Kurt Lyncke, the man she loved, who died in the mountains. I don't know what her purpose was in recording these intimate thoughts. I decided to use them in the film.<\/p>\n\n\n\n I know exactly when she recorded this material: in 1991, less than one year before she disappeared. It was during an expedition to Kanchenjunga, the same mountain, but from a different side. She hadn\u2019t succeeded in 1991, and then she went back in 1992. On these audio tapes, she stated that she didn\u2019t belong to any world, that there was no way back for her, that perhaps at a certain moment she changed from the \u2018travelling Buddha\u2019 to the \u2018settled Buddha\u2019 \u2013 but this is not the time to talk about that. <\/p>\n\n\n\n She was able to give a name to certain feelings, and I think that was the moment when she realised that she had paid a very high price for her choices, and there was no way back for her. She recognised that she had crossed the line. If only there had been someone to point out to her that this was not the end, that it was still possible for her to change her life\u2026 I\u2019m not talking about the physical possibility. She experienced a level of depression so high that she could not stand it.<\/p>\n\n\n Dimitra Kouzi:<\/strong> What was the high price she paid?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Eliza Kubarska<\/strong>: She was extremely lonely at the end, and she didn\u2019t want to be lonely. She was a woman who wanted to have a life partner, to have a family and children. And I know this from her audio diary and from her sister, who told me that Wanda, who was already an outstanding climber, visited Janina when she gave birth to her daughter and said that she was jealous of her having a child. Wanda also wanted to climb with other people but sadly she was partially excluded from the community.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Dimitra Kouzi:<\/strong> And what was the line that she crossed?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Eliza Kubarska<\/strong>: She couldn't be happy here in the lowlands anymore, but she couldn't stay in the Himalayas all the time, either. When you're a climber, you're often in life-threatening situations, between life and death. That's \u2013 as Messner said \u2013 one of the most powerful experiences a person can have. And maybe you get addicted to it. When you return to this lowland reality, it becomes very difficult to live normally, especially if you don't have family here who can support you emotionally and help you readjust. If Wanda had survived, if she had come back, she might have become a filmmaker, as she always had a photo camera and a film camera with her. That\u2019s what happened to me. I used to be an alpinist too, I went on mountain expeditions. Now I look for that same chemistry in my brain when I work on film productions. It\u2019s also associated with stress, instability, a lack of security. I\u2019m probably addicted to that as well; that\u2019s why I make documentaries.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Dimitra Kouzi:<\/strong> These experiences as a climber and traveller are very inspiring. What other sources of inspiration do you have in your work as an artist?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n Eliza Kubarska<\/strong>: Relationships with other people are very important to me, both those around me and those from other cultures I meet while travelling. Human psychology and nature have always fascinated me. While travel provides an interesting backdrop for my stories, my primary focus is on human relationships. I'm always intrigued by why people behave the way they do. And also nature inspires me. I love being outdoors, but it\u2019s the interaction between humans and nature that is my main interest. I love making films exploring these themes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Dimitra Kouzi:<\/strong> What role do the personal accounts by these iconic climbers play in the film?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Eliza Kubarska<\/strong>: When I received Wanda\u2019s private archives, I discovered her own perspective. But I wouldn\u2019t have been able to build this topic without other people who knew her. I met over thirty people, including Wanda\u2019s sister and friends. Wanda was friends with some very interesting women. But I also met some men and women from the climbing community who had issues with her. And I wanted to do this film because the narrative about Wanda is controversial. On one hand, you have an amazing woman, who gave us a lot of inspiration. But on the other hand, I heard voices from some in the climbing community, that she was an egoist who was focused only on her own goals at all costs. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Dimitra Kouzi:<\/strong> And what about Reinhold Messner?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Eliza Kubarska<\/strong>: I needed a strong, informed person to give me a statement. And I knew the only person who could do that was Messner. There is no discussion, he is the most renowned mountaineer and he\u2019s been in the climbing community for more than fifty years. He\u2019s the first person to climb all the highest peaks. Also, he\u2019s a philosopher; he has a way with words; he knew Wanda, and he is from the same generation. They met each other on expeditions many times. They never happened to be on the same expedition, but they were on the same mountain, in the same Base Camp. He knew her from the very beginning: the first time they met was in 1975 in Karakoram.<\/p>\n\n\n\n He refused to be interviewed two or three times but I insisted, and finally he accepted. I didn\u2019t know what he would say, but what he says is right on point. And he gave a beautiful reply to the common question why people climb, why they take such risks.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Carlos Carsolio from Mexico was the last person to see Wanda. He\u2019s also one of the first who completed the eight-thousand-metre peaks. Carlos is the fourth who did it; Krzysztof Wielicki is fifth. Their achievements are at the highest level, yet all of them have different perspectives. Carlos is a very spiritual person. He was 30 and she was 49 at the time when they climbed Kangchenjunga in 1992. His young team called her \u201cAbuela,\u201d which means \u201cGrandmother.\u201d And when I asked him about the relationship between him and her, he said that it was a platonic romantic relationship. Carlos faced a very difficult situation when he passed Wanda at 8,300m. She did not want to come down with him. And he, as he relates, had no right to tell her to.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Krzysztof Wielicki from Poland, first a student of Wanda's and then a mountain friend, was the leader of the Annapurna expedition in 1991, during which Wanda was accused of falsely claiming to have reached the summit. In an official statement, Krzysztof stated that Wanda had conquered the mountain.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Dimitra Kouzi:<\/strong> What were some of the most challenging aspects of filming in the Himalayas, both technically and logistically?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Eliza Kubarska<\/strong>: My film crew were talented filmmakers but not great outdoor adventurers. For instance, while filming \u201cThe Wall of Shadows\u201d in 2017\u20139, a film about Sherpas, with producer Monika Braid, when we were in fact already producing material for \u201cWanda\u201d! I knew we would not be able to come back to the same places because it\u2019s too far, too high and just too complicated and expensive. We had to stay with our film crew at an altitude of 5,000m on a glacier for over three weeks, in winter in the Himalayas! Monica is such a great producer: she\u2019s brave, she trusts me and she organised such complicated film sets.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Sleeping, filming, and even copying footage on the glacier was extremely difficult, especially with limited access to electricity. As an experienced climber and climbing instructor, I was more comfortable in that environment. But it was a constant challenge to ensure the safety and well-being of our less outdoor-savvy crew. We always have to be very sensitive to that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Dimitra Kouzi:<\/strong> Were there any parts of the story that were difficult to convey on screen, that you really wanted to show but didn\u2019t know how to tackle?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Eliza Kubarska<\/strong>: When you go to Nepal or Sikkim and you visit Buddhist nunneries and spend time with the women there, which I did and then Monika joined me, after a while we were in a completely different world. I mean, in a spiritual sense. I am a fulfilled person, and I have a reason to come back. But when I was in these nunneries, at one moment I got the feeling \u2013 and I love adventures and I\u2019m really bored when I do nothing, you know \u2013 but at one moment I was sitting there and thought, \u201cHey, I could stay here much longer. I feel so good. I would just like to be here.\u201d And then I realised Wanda might have felt the same and done that. <\/p>\n\n\n\n <\/p>\n\n\n Director Eliza Kubarska <\/a>and producer Monika Braid<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n Dimitra Kouzi:<\/strong> Are there any moments in the film, or during the entire process, when you felt transformed personally and as a filmmaker?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Eliza Kubarska<\/strong>: Definitely. It holds special meaning for me as a woman climber. If I weren\u2019t a climber, the story would be different. I watched Wanda through my own eyes, through the perspective of a filmmaker and an alpinist. Initially, when I learned about the price she paid, I felt deep sympathy for her. I thought, \u201cThis is how it went for her in this world.\u201d I believe the price she paid was her incredibly painful loneliness. Being excluded from society and feeling like you don\u2019t belong anywhere. I used to think that this was a price she paid. Yet, now I realise that she followed her own path. I came to see that she wasn\u2019t a loser; she was a winner. She remained loyal to herself until the very end. When you look in the mirror at any moment in your life, you should ask yourself if you are being true to yourself and to what you believe is right for you. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Wanda had strong values. When the events at Annapurna happened \u2013 when she was accused of being dishonest \u2013 it was devastating for her because honesty was paramount to her as an athlete from the very beginning. That accusation broke her completely. Unfortunately, I have had a similar experience as a climber myself, where I was accused of dishonesty about a climb during my expedition. It almost destroyed me. And then, for many years, I\u2019ve felt ashamed that such a thing happened to me, that I allowed a group of people to hurt me so. Being slandered became one of the hardest experiences of my climbing life. Wanda described her experience of Annapurna in the very same terms. We both felt tainted<\/em>. When I discovered that very word in her archives, I felt angry that she, too, had to go through this difficult experience. I thought, \u201cNo, I\u2019m not ashamed anymore. It is not I who should be ashamed, but the people who unfairly slandered me.\u201d That realisation was transformative for me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Dimitra Kouzi:<\/strong> Therefore, you believe that Wanda may have had reasons not to want to come back?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Eliza Kubarska<\/strong>: Absolutely, without a doubt. It doesn\u2019t matter if it\u2019s true or not; we have nobody to confirm her fate. You can never be one hundred percent sure that someone is dead if the body has not been found.<\/p>\n\n\n\n The interview has been edited for length and clarity.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n The international Premiere of the film is at IDFA 2024, Luminous <\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n
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